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	<title>Comments on: Debate and Groupthink</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Urquhart</title>
		<link>http://alt-tag.com/blog/archives/2007/05/debate-and-groupthink/comment-page-1/#comment-2208</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Urquhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 01:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and Jesse raise good points.  Jesse says: 

&quot;The good news is that these bad behaviors are largely confined to small yet vocal minorities. As soon as the real crowd speaks up, they’re drowned out.&quot;

The problem I see is that small, vocal minorities often seem to be the only ones participating.  The real crowd often is AWOL.  As Jesse says, they are &quot;highly disinterested.&quot;

The extremes enjoy the ease of self-annointed purity.  They never have to sully themselves by working toward a solution.  The media focuses on the extremes; it makes for a very easy story.  We have come to think that extremes yelling at each other (e.g., Rocky and Hannity) constitutes good political debate.  Many (most?) non-extremists seem to be thoroughly disgusted, and they simply don&#039;t participate -- giving louder voice to the extremes.

I love the way you engage, Tom.  You have helped shape my opinion on occassion, and you have helped remind me on occassion that I need to engage in a more substantive, less shrill way.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Jesse raise good points.  Jesse says: </p>
<p>&#8220;The good news is that these bad behaviors are largely confined to small yet vocal minorities. As soon as the real crowd speaks up, they’re drowned out.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem I see is that small, vocal minorities often seem to be the only ones participating.  The real crowd often is AWOL.  As Jesse says, they are &#8220;highly disinterested.&#8221;</p>
<p>The extremes enjoy the ease of self-annointed purity.  They never have to sully themselves by working toward a solution.  The media focuses on the extremes; it makes for a very easy story.  We have come to think that extremes yelling at each other (e.g., Rocky and Hannity) constitutes good political debate.  Many (most?) non-extremists seem to be thoroughly disgusted, and they simply don&#8217;t participate &#8212; giving louder voice to the extremes.</p>
<p>I love the way you engage, Tom.  You have helped shape my opinion on occassion, and you have helped remind me on occassion that I need to engage in a more substantive, less shrill way.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Harris</title>
		<link>http://alt-tag.com/blog/archives/2007/05/debate-and-groupthink/comment-page-1/#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The groupthink you describe seems to be standard operating procedure with a spate of national and local political issues. From vouchers to immigration and everything in between, there is a prevailing &quot;you&#039;re with us or against us&quot; polarization that cripples real discussion and gives the impression that your only choices are between one of the two extremes.

With choices like that, it&#039;s no wonder so many folks are highly disinterested in participating in politics. It&#039;s a game of character assassinations and dehumanization that provides the same level of enlightenment as &quot;professional&quot; wrestling.

The good news is that these bad behaviors are largely confined to small yet vocal minorities. As soon as the real crowd speaks up, they&#039;re drowned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The groupthink you describe seems to be standard operating procedure with a spate of national and local political issues. From vouchers to immigration and everything in between, there is a prevailing &#8220;you&#8217;re with us or against us&#8221; polarization that cripples real discussion and gives the impression that your only choices are between one of the two extremes.</p>
<p>With choices like that, it&#8217;s no wonder so many folks are highly disinterested in participating in politics. It&#8217;s a game of character assassinations and dehumanization that provides the same level of enlightenment as &#8220;professional&#8221; wrestling.</p>
<p>The good news is that these bad behaviors are largely confined to small yet vocal minorities. As soon as the real crowd speaks up, they&#8217;re drowned out.</p>
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